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Post by shaungamer on Dec 21, 2009 17:40:54 GMT -5
I have had quite a few people mention the playability of the figures at the current scale. It is probably because the Monsters have been getting bigger - Trolls and Big Orcs for example! These overhang the 1" squares and do get in the way of other figures (as is amply demonstrated in the Mini-DP thread). Unfortunately we cannot make the tiles any bigger, however we can make the figures smaller. The current scale is 30mm. which I thought would be enough for 25mm squares but the DP figures are of different proportions than normal. With swinging arms and oversized weapons they can be quite wide. A lot of people seem to have gone 50% for there re-scale but this brings it down to 15mm which does lose some detail and makes small figures like ghoblins and gremlins very small. I think 20mm or maybe even 25mm would be enough. What does everyone else think?
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Post by ciabs on Dec 22, 2009 3:34:44 GMT -5
well, from my experience I have to say that ghoblins don't lose too much detail in the shrinking process; stone gremlings become kinda simple, while I believe the shnotlings (that's how I named those little fellas you released as bonus greenskins some time ago) would become REALLY blurry and lose most of their charateristics since they're THAT small... anyway, thinking about scaling the minis in relation to the original tiles' dimensions, I think that reducing them by 1/3 should work fine, as that's roughly the same ratio I've kept with mini-DP... I'm crossposting the image with tiles at 150% the bases measures (which, if I'm correct should correspond to bases at 2/3 the tiles' measures): also, from my - limited - experience, minis could benefit a reduction in size, as much as bases, so that while the body of the mini overhangs less than before, you also have more room to orient the mini into its space in case you need it; to keep it short: I think a good point could be: tiles at 1" per square minis at 20mm scale bases at 2/3" (that should be roughly 1,7cm) what do you think? I believe there should be no need of editing the existing minis, as in the process of shrinking them they should also end with a smaller basing tab, but that has to be confirmed... EDIT: a nice way to save the detail factor could be the release of shadowolf's new chubby minis, as they're designed to be printed at a smaller scale, thus having less features...
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Post by erf_beto on Dec 22, 2009 7:06:28 GMT -5
The one thing I know for sure is: even if you don't change the size of the minis, the base has to be smaller than the 25mm square. I was thinking 20mm, so the minis would have tabs of 15mm wich is wide enough to hold them up straight, even the bigger trolls. But ciabs numbers might be more realistic, I don't know.
(Edit: I've found that round bases are even better, but they are horrible to cut. Octogonal bases have the same effect and are easier to cut. But this another story)
I think it would help to have something to look at... could someone post an image of 30, 25 and 20mm minis with bases and 25mm squares, for comparison? (I'd do it, but I only have GIMP at the office, and I can't seem to use it right... I'll try it on lunch break anyway)
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Post by ciabs on Dec 22, 2009 7:27:28 GMT -5
heh, I could do that, but it could take some time to get it done, I'll see what I manage to pull off, but I can't promise anything... octagonal bases could be a great idea, I'd only be concerned as if the smaller area they use can bring to stability problems, but I think that just has to be tested... for sure it's something that has less an impact on stability for non-miniDP settings...
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Post by erf_beto on Dec 23, 2009 12:56:59 GMT -5
For comparison's sake, after one too many failed attempts at GIMP (and a couple of hours killing time at work), I came up with this... Though it's a more "realistic scale", I'm thinking going down to 20mm is too much... something between 25 and 20 should be right. But that isn't a standard scale for minis, is it? (and looking at things side by side, it's just clear that the 25mm (100%) looks awesomer than the others. )Hmm... I forgot to put the minis bases on the image... I still think reducing them is the first thing to do.
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Post by shadowolf on Dec 23, 2009 22:21:55 GMT -5
I would leave the scale alone myself. As we have seen, some people change the sizes anyway to suit their own needs. Its a simple enough thing to do to change the print size.
For my part I tend to draw in the same scale as it will be printed. This helps me see how much detail will be visible at different scales. So I draw DP figures at 30mm tall for a standard humanoid.
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Post by dan on Dec 24, 2009 10:07:39 GMT -5
I agree, the great thing about paper minis is that you can scale them as you see fit. Perhaps some guidelines with the rules or sets of minis would be in order though, like, print at 80% for 20mm, 90% for 25, 100 for 30, etc.
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Post by footoomba on Jan 24, 2010 20:47:49 GMT -5
I agree with Dan and Shadowolf leave them the size they are and maybe add a tutorial on the main page, has to how resize them (for those that don't know) to the size they want. I'm actually in the (slow) process of upsizing and attatching the characters to foamcore, why? because it looks really really cool.
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